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Obama/McCain's Appearance @ Saddleback Faith Forum -- Discussion

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  • Joe

  • Sat, Aug 16 2008
  • 11:25 PM
Article: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/16/obama-and-mccain-try-to-woo-conservative-voters-at-forum/

Let's hear what you thought of McCain and Obama at the Saddleback Forum? Also, what did you think about the media coverage and understanding of evangelical voters? Did anything surprise you or change your mind?

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    • Joe

    • Sat, Aug 16 2008
    • 11:34 PM

    On the rare occassions when I'm on the "inside" of a story, I'm always surprised at how wrong the media gets it.

    First, a Fox News correspondent referred to Rick as a "new age" pastor. A little later, he said that Saddleback members "took issue" with that characterization of Rick (at least somebody told him!).

    Also, I noticed that Rick's message of the restoration of civil dialogue (which I have been known to stuggle with at times Wink) was not getting communicated well. Most of the media outlets weren't reporting that part of the story. I've heard Rick mention Wilberforce a number of times who had two goals in life: the abolition of slavery and the restoration of civility to culture. Rick's heart is to restore a respectful dialogue between people you disagree with, and from what I understand, that's part of the reason both McCain and Obama choose to come to this gathering, and insisted that only Rick be allowed to ask questions. That part of the story didn't seem to make into the news

    Also, it seems like there was some criticism about how tickets were allocated. The local news that carried the story had a democrat one who said, "It's obviously a crowd who can afford $2,000 tickets." Thankfull, the news anchor corrected him to say only 5% of the tickets were sold at that price. I wish t.v. stations would run corrections like newspapers did.

    Overall, I keep telling myself I shouldn't watch as much news as I do. I'm an admitted news junkie, and when I see how badly the stories are that I know about, it makes me question everything else.

     
  • Joe, I thought the whole thing was simply amazing.  I enjoyed the whole thing and hope it becomes the new way things are done between candidates.

    Something that jumped out at me about the coverage was that one of the commentators kept referring to it as an "evangelical chrisitan audience," yet I know from the applause for a couple things Obama said (specifically about being pro-choice and about who he would not have chosen for the SCOTUS) that it was NOT something I'd stereotype as an evangelical audience.  It actually seemed like it was fairly well balanced between both ends of the spectrum.

    Another thing that got me was when Obama commented that he would not have appointed one of the SCOTUS justices because the guy lacked experience.  LOL!  I hope we can apply that same litmus test to POTUS candidates, too.

    Overall, I found the whole thing VERY helpful.

     
  • Joe, will a video link be available to watch the event?  We're unable to see it.

     
  • I really enjoyed the opportunity to hear the candidates response to issues that matter to ME! I'm not much of a blogger-type, but I want to encourage Rick to keep on doing things like this. We may never know how many people got to listen, and then had a chance to form an opinion or to consider changing the opionion they had already formed.

     

    The only thing that surprised me was the seeming comfort of McCain and the squirming of Obama.

     

    Many thanks Rick.

     

    peace to all

    ed

     
  • I also would like to see it.  I don't have cable, and was busy getting ready for my primary responsibility on Sunday (no, not the Twins game!).

    Can't really comment on it since the only thing I've read so far has been from Foxnews.com.

     
  • It was awesome!  My respect for McCain, and confidence that he could be POTUS, jumped exponentially.  I agree with Tony, this is the way it should be done.

     
  • I don't know if there will be a posted video of the event or not.  However, I will ask our "powers that be" and find out for you all.

     
  • I'm watching it now (I recorded it last night). So far, I've watched Obama and I'm over half way through McCain. I'm enjoying it.

    It's amazing: presidential candidates making their first appearance together at a church to be interviewed by a pastor!

    Re: Tony's comment ...

    Something that jumped out at me about the coverage was that one of the commentators kept referring to it as an "evangelical chrisitan audience," yet I know from the applause for a couple things Obama said (specifically about being pro-choice and about who he would not have chosen for the SCOTUS) that it was NOT something I'd stereotype as an evangelical audience.  It actually seemed like it was fairly well balanced between both ends of the spectrum.

    Obviously, I don't know any details about the individual audience members but I do know that 95% of the 5,000+ tickets were reserved (free of charge) for Saddleback volunteers. The remaining 5% (less than 250 seats) were sold to members and outsiders (there were also two 22 students and 2 chaperones). (According to Rick Warren's email.)

    And a couple programming notes ...

    Hopefully, they will post the video at http://saddlebackcivilforum.com/index.html (there is a link to the previous civil form, but last night's isn't there as of now).

    Also, a reminder that Rick Warren is scheduled to be on Larry King on Monday to talk about "the inside scoop," what happened behind the scenes.

     
  •  Incredible. Don't sweat the small stuff Joe.

    The road to the White House runs through Saddleback. The ramifications of last night are huge.

     
  • First, the impression of the Beautiful and Wise Mrs. Haller: REALLY liked the format. She liked that she got to hear both guys without a lot of follow-up questions and people talking over one another. She watched the whole thing which is very unusual for her.

    Second, my impression: I was skeptical about the format, but really like it. The questions were not particularly probing, but they brought out most of the major views that I think are important.

    I did not expect to be impressed by Obama and I was not. He really reminds me of the guy in school (law school) who likes the sound of his own voice but cannot connect on a factual level. He was full of empty platitudes.

    (Sidebar: we really need a discussion in the church and in politics about poverty.)

    McCain, on the other hand, connected well and used humor, narrative in the right way. He blew Obama away in the way that he connected with the audience, both there at Saddleback and on TV. He outmatched Obama on many, many levels. If he does not screw up the VP choice, he might have sealed the deal with many evangelicals. I really liked the response when RW said he was going to ask about education and McCain said: Yes, yes, no and fire the incompetent teachers." It was very funny.

    Impression of some on the left: had to drive an hour both ways to the in-laws and listened to AirAmerica. On one show (think it was called Politically Direct) and the host was beside himself. He is a BIG Obama supporter and he thought that McCain did so well that he thinks that as more people see this, it will seal the election for McCain.

    Not all of the people who called in agreed: some said RW was a shill for McCain, that McCain must have listened to or been fed the Qs by his staff or some Saddleback mole, that McCain's answers were "too pat" and really not thoughtful. They liked the "obviously thinking hard" motif of Obama.

    MSM comments I heard from CNN's Wolf Blitzer and Candy Crowley: we were really surprised at the receiption that Obama received. CC said it was so warm that she thought it was a pro-Obama crowd. She was surprised when McCain received a similar welcome.

    To expand on Tony's "bubble" point from the other day, I think this shows that the MSM also lives in a bubble. They have no clue what a church like Saddleback is about. They think it's full of a lot of non-thinking sycophants, and when the reality they observe does not match up with that assumption, the MSM is confused.

    When I hear people describe what I saw and what they think they saw, I think we either inhabit parallel universes or they are brain damaged (I'm pretty sure they would say the same about me).

    In any event, this was very well done and McCain was the hands down winner.

     
  • Okay, in the interest of full disclosure:

    I've made no secret of the fact that I am not a McCain fan, nor do I any longer consider myself a Republican.  HOWEVER, I've now watched the entire thing through from beginning to end three times, and being of sound mind and body, I now find myself heavily considering the need to vote for McCain in the November elections.

    I still hold that the lesser of two evils is still an evil, but the evil I found when watching Obama was nauseating. McCain's was simply irritating.

    McCain still hasn't won me over, but Obama convinced me that I can live with McCain since he's the only other alternative.  In the meantime, I'm gonna kick the crap out of McCain's staff and the GOP through snail mail, email, and phone calls.  I'll give them THIS one election, but the next one they're gonna hafta meet me closer to my side to get my involvement.

     
  • Well, with that disclosure, my rapture clock just moved to 11:59:31 pm. Big Smile

    And, in the interest of full disclosure, I think McCain is really wrong on some big issues: global warming, not drilling in ANWAR.

    But, like T, I think he is the only viable alternative. I just don't do nuance very well.

     
  • I see CNN are running the whole thing this evening - it sure is getting an airing!

     
  •  There was a good article about it here in Aust....so it is certainly making news.

     
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